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1 greenmamba  Tue, Nov 30, 2010 9:19:48am

You're trying too hard, Ludwig. While the criticisms leveled by you and those to whom you link might have some validity, I was struck by this phrase: (linked to in the TPM post you reference)

USA Today points out that "the charges of plagiarism don't negate one of the basic premises of the report -- that climate scientists used poor statistics in two widely noted papers."

Perhaps if everyone toned down the finger-pointing and histrionics, we would better be able to find understanding and solutions.

2 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 30, 2010 9:39:48am

re: #1 greenmamba

Somehow, I very much doubt anything would change your mind on AGW.

3 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 30, 2010 9:43:18am

re: #1 greenmamba

I'm also amused that you have no problem with them plagiarizing.

4 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Nov 30, 2010 9:47:56am

re: #1 greenmamba

You do know that there was absolutely nothing substantive about the IPCC report which has actually been scientifically refuted, don't you? Op-eds don't drive science, research does.

5 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 30, 2010 9:50:40am

re: #1 greenmamba

First of all, you do not know me and the intended insult of presumed familiarity is understood.

Second of all, Do try to avoid cherry picking comments and consider context.

GMU says:

"We should note that the basic premise of the report -- that some climate-change data used in late-1990s reports was sloppy -- has not been challenged" BY THE REVIEWERS WHO POINTED OUT THE PLAGIARISM.

The actual Mann Hockey stick was vindicated by the National Academy of Science. The basic premise of this fraudulent, bit of propaganda foisted on America, was challenged by and conclusively refuted by the premier scientific organization of America.

Many others have challenged the "basic premise" of this garbage. Those that challenged had all of the mathematics, data and numbers on their side. Those are the very things that people like you steadfastly refuse to look at.

Did you bother to look at my post on the special issue of the Royal Society?

The upshot is that because of morons and fuckwits like you, we are due (as in it is most probable) to have a four degree rise in temperature by 2060-2070 and that six degrees is likely to have a six degree raise by 2100.

And don't even think of whining that I called your ignorant and retarded ass a fuckwit. Idiots like you are dooming this nation. You get the same respect that someone who recommends an acid enema for a toothache would get. You are just as scientifically illiterate and full of nonsense, only vastly more dangerous,.

6 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 30, 2010 9:53:44am

Clarification:

First of all, you do not know me and the intended insult of presumed familiarity is understood.

Second of all, Do try to avoid cherry picking comments and consider context.

GMU says:

"We should note that the basic premise of the report -- that some climate-change data used in late-1990s reports was sloppy -- has not been challenged" BY THE REVIEWERS WHO POINTED OUT THE PLAGIARISM.

The actual Mann Hockey stick was vindicated by the National Academy of Science. The basic premise of this fraudulent, bit of propaganda foisted on America, by the GOP, and deniers, was challenged by and conclusively refuted by the premier scientific organization of America.

Many other scientists have challenged the "basic premise" of this denier garbage. Those that challenged had all of the mathematics, data and numbers on their side. Those are the very things that people like you steadfastly refuse to look at.

Did you bother to look at my post on the special issue of the Royal Society?

The upshot is that because of morons and fuckwits like you, we are due (as in it is most probable) to have a four degree rise in temperature by 2060-2070 and likely to have a six degree raise by 2100.

And don't even think of whining that I called your ignorant and retarded ass a fuckwit. Idiots like you are dooming this nation. You get the same respect that someone who recommends an acid enema for a toothache would get. You are just as scientifically illiterate and full of nonsense, only vastly more dangerous.

7 freetoken  Tue, Nov 30, 2010 1:58:32pm

The Wegman affair has been brewing for some time. CapitolClimate and John Mashey have been doing most of the legwork. I was going to write something up about it, but only after the GMU investigation of Wegman was complete.

re: #1 greenmamba

In the case at hand, we see a politician (Barton) intentionally wooing academic malfeasance (by Wegman et. al.) in order to support the goals of the funders of Barton's political campaigns. Barton uses this method in order so you will not find "understanding and solutions."


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